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  Chaos at Brooklyn Bethel 12/2016

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this was how it was described to me yesterday by a brother who has been there for some 40 years.

  "everyone is about gone; the governing body is set to leave within 2 months; the kitchen and laundry personnel are gone and i have to fend for myself now.".

  "also the aggravation of 4 to 5 business men in suits with clipboards daily checking out the watchtower properties.

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  Nathan Natas

  Ah... this is GOOD NEWS! A pox on their soft bottoms!
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  Anthony Morris Says The Governing Body Is Not Dogmatic, But Simply Must Be Obeyed If You Want Jehovah's Blessing

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  warning lots of compartmentalization going on, with huge leaps in logic and a whole lot of just beleive me because i say so.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyfm-zikbq.

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  Anthony Morris Says The Governing Body Is Not Dogmatic, But Simply Must Be Obeyed If You Want Jehovah's Blessing...
  

  ...and this is proved HOW?
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  When does it end? My marriage is 90% great for the most part, except when it come to this cult

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i know marriage is tough and it takes work on both parts.

  we have been together for 27 years.

  the last eight have been involved with this cult.

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  The most important thing is that you honor the oath you made in the parousia of an invisible imaginary non-existent father-of-the-unicorns to never act in your own best interest, always act in a way pleasing to spineless weaklings who think everyone should be as weak and spineless as they are because if they're not, they are mean people.

  Don't ever be "selfish" - always leave the last cookie for anyone who says they want it more than you.

  Always take your most urgent personal issues to arbitration before a board of incompetent internet strangers because they really do *CARE SO MUCH* about your eternal happiness with a money-back gar-un-tee.

  Find the biggest dysfunctional internet clown you can and become his disciple/uchi-deshi. Even better if that clown is a spinster female who has never been asked to dance.

  That's just my opinion, you'll find many contrary ones here - follow ALL OF THEM.

  The doctor is out - of his mind.
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  Do our loved pets come back when we do?

  by Nichole in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have recently started studying and im really enjoying learning all about the truth!

  i am a huge animal lover and have my dog trixie for 11 years now, i got her when i was 12 years old and she has been the best friend and companion, i am so lucky and grateful to have her at my side every single day!

  i get worried a lot about what will happen when the time comes that she has to leave me, anytime i even think about it i start to cry because it would break my heart not to have her with me anymore!

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  I ate some ham one year that I could have SWORN was the same ham I et in 6 previous years.

  I call it my Theory of Eternal Porcine Recurrence. As theories go, it's pretty tasty.
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  Do our loved pets come back when we do?

  by Nichole in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have recently started studying and im really enjoying learning all about the truth!

  i am a huge animal lover and have my dog trixie for 11 years now, i got her when i was 12 years old and she has been the best friend and companion, i am so lucky and grateful to have her at my side every single day!

  i get worried a lot about what will happen when the time comes that she has to leave me, anytime i even think about it i start to cry because it would break my heart not to have her with me anymore!

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  Nathan Natas

  Seriously?

  First you should know that this discussion board is populated primarily with JW "apostates", although we prefer to be called XJWs. So the likelyhood of you getting a WTB&TS approved reply here is slim.

  Second, do you have any grasp of basic Christian theology?

  In it, ADAM & EVE sinned, and the "ransom" of Jesus was supposed to buy MANKIND - ADAM'S kids - back into God's good graces.

  The bible doesn't suggest anywhere that animals of any kind will live after death anywhere except at your local BBQ shack.

  Sorry to harsh your mellow, but that's what the bible says.
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  Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  any body know?

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  Wow, BLONDIE is amazing, isn't she?

  In synopsis:

  A. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say specifically how long a creative day is supposed to have been.

  B. The 7,000-year-long creative day is NOT something The Watchtower came up with; the idea has floated around in Christendom since well before 1878 and "Pastor" Russell, take a look at the Ussher chronology from the 17th century, you'll see a similar "let's count backwards" methodology, although the WTB&TS and Ussher use different dates and arrive at different conclusions. In fact, if you do the legwork you can find that the idea predates Christianity and Judaism.

  But the Watchtower says it shuns false doctrines, so some prehistoric religion must have been visited by the TROOTH FAIRY!

  You might find this interesting:

  (from http://www.biblebaptistpublications.org/gods7000yearplan.html)

  "...A Neglected Doctrine

  The idea that God has a 7,000 year plan is not a new one. In fact, it has been around for many centuries. The Epistle of Barnabas taught it in the first century A.D. by stating that “in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished . . . This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.” (Epistle of Barnabas, XV verses 4-6) Irenaeus taught it in the second century, Commodianus in the third century, and in the fourth century Lactantius wrote that “the world must continue in its present state through six ages, that is, six thousand years . . . at the end of the six thousandth year all wickedness must be abolished from the earth, and righteousness reign for a thousand years…” (The Epitome of the Divine Institutes, Chapter 70)

  We quote such authors because we believe they understood what the Bible had taught all along about God’s prophetic plan and that these truths have been neglected for centuries by most scholars and commentators, largely because it was a seemingly insignificant doctrine centuries ago and it is a negative and uncomfortable doctrine to many today. Our position is that a Bible doctrine is a Bible doctrine, regardless of what people think of it, and it should be taught."
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  Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been discussed i missed it.

  i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

  but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

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  I have to admit I haven't followed this as closely as I used to.

  Talesin is correct, in the old days of the 1960s and 1970s it was not at all unusual for women to claim the anointed calling. There was one in my NYC congregation (Ann Sabalow, now deceased) and I recall that Rick Fearon's wife Inez (also now deceased) claimed the anointed calling too.

  Do we have any numbers for this social phenomenon? How much have the ranks of the anointed grown in recent years?
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  The Lion Awakes

  by eric hendrickson in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my name is eric hendrickson.

  i have been on a journey led by the holy spirit which has brought to this point that has allowed for me to open the seventh seal and understand god's master plan.

  i am the lion from the lost tribe of judah who has come to the world and be the messiah king.

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  Eric Hendrickson,
  

  Everything Finkelstein said, plus "You're nuts."
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  Years ago son raised a few years as a JW. Now struggles with depression

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. social
  2. family

  background:.

  i spent some time here awhile back as an unbelieving mate of a jw wife.

  i learned a lot, and was able to be supportive and understanding when she decided to leave the jw.. unfortunately, my son seems to have internalized many of the jw teachings.

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  Life today is HARD, and today's kids have been de-volved by the educational system into whining pansies.

  Certainly whatever Watchtower memes he's absorbed haven't helped any.

  You have tried the standard catalog of pharmaceutical assistance, but has he tried ketamine? Some researchers have been exploring the value of ketamine treatment, at relatively low doses in a controlled medical environment and they have reported impressive results from ONE TREATMENT; but don't buy "Special-K" on the street and dose him with that. See if there is a study being conducted at a medical center near you.

  It is also important that his personal self-esteem is built up, not by chanting slogans into a mirror, but by tangible ACCOMPLISHMENT. What skills or interests does he have that could provide this? I don't think playing computer games counts.
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  Can my friend be DFd for dating a non witness and wanting to get married to him

  by cognitivedizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear all, need some advice .

  in my country one can get dfd for pretty much anything the bullies want to df you for.

  but is there any specific guidelines that state one can or cannot be dfd for marrying a non witness.

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  Nathan Natas

  Prefatory disclaimer: I left the WTB&TS in the early 1970s (before Armageddon), so my info may be a bit dated. For all I know Dubs today are worshipping the golden calves of Fred Franz and drinking swine blood on Nisan 14;

  ...but back in my day NO, a person would not be disfellowshipped for dating a non-witness. They WOULD have been considered... er, what's the term? SPIRITUALLY STUPID! That's right, they would have been "marked" as "spiritually stupid" and denied some of the many PRIVILEGES open to them. If they were a chick, the only privilege open to her would be scrubbing the toilet at the Kingdom Hall, and denial of that privilege would cause spiritual suffering which would lead to her repentance.

  ...but that was then...